However, I came across another definition the other day that apparently has become common in the world of watches and more recently film cameras, Neo-Vintage. I've also seen the category used for handbags but not Filofax organisers yet.
Neo-Vintage seems to be classed as not modern (recent production) or not true Vintage.
In terms of watches, Neo-Vintage seems to be defined as 'early 1990's to the mid-2000's'
Watches older than the early 1990's seem to be classed as 'Vintage' and younger than the mid 2000's are classed as 'Modern'.
Could we adapt this category for Filofax models?
Personally I would put Vintage as being older than 1993, Neo-Vintage between 1994 to say 2010.
What do you think? Please add your comments below.
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That terminology would be well suited to the timeline of Filofaxes, and meets a need for a clearer way of referring back, so I’d be happy to see it issued as the Philofaxy blog official guidance!
ReplyDeleteIn auctioneer terms, vintage items need to be at least 30-40 years old up to 100 years old. Over 100 years old is antique. Cars have the "classic" moniker which (for taxation purposes in the UK) is anything over 40 years old. I'm happy calling anything pre-1980 vintage but I struggle to use that term for anything younger than my daughter! The idea that Polly Pocket might be a vintage item just doesn't compute!
ReplyDeleteFor me ‘vintage’ is very clear. If it was made by Filofax itself (nearly all in the UK/ England), then it’s genuine vintage. The outsourcing to China started in 1991 (to save costs) and the first model was the Windsor. I would argue that a 1991 Windsor made in a third party factory overseas can never be vintage. However, Filofaxes continued to be made in Filofax UK workshops until they closed in 1993 and these must be vintage.
ReplyDeleteIt depends a lot on the field you are looking at - for both, the categories and the year ranges.
ReplyDeleteI would second Tims judgement, that only "original" Filofax could be called Vintage.
For cars, the term "Modern Classics" is used for less than Vintage. Another term for "Modern" would be "Contemporary".
But regardless of the age, there can be different production runs - especially with Filofax. Then you'd have a "Vintage" YX model, and possibly different more recent ones. But the year ranges could differ between models.
A similar topic is "New" vs. "NOS", where an item has to be in production to be called "New", in contrast to "New Old Stock" (unopened stock supply).
Hans
This question of what is and isn't Vintage has been going on for a long time. I tend to agree with Tim in terms of the 'youngest' to be considered Vintage is 1991-1993.
ReplyDeleteAdding in 'Neo-Vintage does help get across the dividing line. Nearly as good as traditional Vintage, but still better than 'Modern'
One of the questions asked as a membership question for people joining the Vintage Filofax Users Group on Facebook is: 'How old would you say was 'Vintage' in terms of Filofax organisers?'
You will be horrified to see the number of people that say 10 years or 20 years, far too young!
Neoclassicism is a style trying to reproduce that of Roman classicism, that became popular with the interest arising from the excavation of Pompeii, and the fashion for the Grand Tour.
ReplyDeleteSo neo-vintage sounds more like an attempt to reproduce 'vintage' (whatever that means). I'm not sure that's what is being suggested here, though the Cavendish is one of the better 'modern' binders, along with the Kensington.
I agree with Tim. To be vintage, it needs to be made in the UK. Somewhere around 91 to 93 it seems like an appropriate cut-off. Neo-vintage is a tougher call.
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