Hi everybody, I received a question on Twitter as to whether Franklin Covey inserts fit into Filofax binders. The asker didn't specify sizes. Since I have no experience with FC, I replied that I would ask here because somebody is sure to know!
As far as the Personal size inserts go, I think I've read here and other places that the FC inserts are slightly wider than the Filofax Personal size pages, but otherwise fit in the binder fine. Does anyone know about other sizes?
Thanks for any info!
desk size incompatible. Holes in 'wrong' places.
ReplyDeleteFranklin Covey have just been taken over by "cross" the pen company, and they are planning on really launching the product here in the UK, I wil try and find out if the refills are the dame size, but if not, I would expect them to be available here soon.
ReplyDeleteFilofax:
ReplyDeleteA5: 5 3/4" x 8 1/4"
Personal: 3.75 x 6.75 6 hole (also Slimline)
Pocket: 3.25 x 4.75 6 hole
Mini: 2 5/8" x 4 1/4"
Franklin:
Classic (Page Size: 5-1/2" x 8-1/2") 7-hole
Pocket (Page Size: 3-1/2" x 6") 6-hole
Compact (Page Size: 4-1/4" x 6-3/4") 6-hole
Monarch (Page Size: 8-1/2" x 11") 7-hole
Compact will fit a Personal size, but the wider size tends to get damaged and worn because it extends out to the end of the binder. It works and has some advantages, but some drawbacks.
FC's Pocket fits nothing else in the world. The hole spacing is different.
Monarch will fit a 3 ring binder, (US size).
Actually FC Pocket fits a Mulberry Agenda, the spacing is the same
DeleteBits and Bobs on Franklin Covey and Filofax...
ReplyDeleteFranklin Covey sold off their consumer products division (retail planner stores, etc) to a private equity company in July 2008. The planner products company is now known as Franklin Covey Products, LLC. In the process they downsized from about 80 to (apparently now) 54 retail stores. There are no FC stores in NJ, NY, PA, CT, DE. The closest to me is now in VA, I believe in the DC area.
Cross hasn't taken over FC. Cross has entered into a licensing agreement with FC. Now, it is possible that A.T. Cross may be handling distribution for FC in the UK, but I haven't heard anything about this.
I discovered all this today, because I was on a Quest for an FC Compact binder to see if I could use B6 size (125 x 176 mm) pages in it, only to find that both the Moorestown, NJ, and the King of Prussia, PA, stores are now gone. Good thing I didn't just drive there!
As for Filofax rings, I also spent a few minutes doing some measuring today:
Filofax Deskfax B5 binders have 9 rings in 3 groups of 3. Each group has the rings spaced 19 mm on center, and each group is spaced 51 mm on center. Ring thickness is 3 mm.
Filofax A5 binders have 6 rings in 2 groups of 3. Each group has rings spaced 19 mm on center, and the groups are spaced 70 mm on center. Ring thickness is 3 mm.
Filofax Personal binders have 6 rings in 2 groups of 3. Each group has rings spaced 19 mm on center, and the groups are spaced 51 mm on center. Ring thickness is 3 mm.
Filofax Pocket binders have 6 rings spaced 19 mm on center. Ring thickness is 2 mm.
Filofax Deskfax (B5) pages fit only Filofax Deskfax binders.
Filofax A5 pages fit only Filofax A5 binders.
Filofax Personal pages fit Deskfax binders in rings 1-3+4-6 (top to bottom), or 4-6+7-9.
Filofax Pocket pages fit Deskfax binders in rings 2-3+4-5, or 5-6+7-8.
Filofax Pocket pages fit A5 binders in rings 2-3+4, or 3+4-5.
Filofax Pocket pages fit Personal binders in rings 2-3+4-5.
For comparison, B6 size is 125 mm x 176 mm, FC Compact size is 108 mm x 171 mm, and Filofax Personal size is 95 mm x 171 mm.
Oddly, the Filofax system, being originally from a US company (Lefax), might be more accurately described in US customary units (rings .75" on center, groups 2.0" on center, Personal pages 3.75" x 6.75"), but the UK company may have changed to Metric for the current incarnation.
Now, what I'd really like to see is binders with rings spaced 25 mm on center...making all page sizes compatible with each other (see Circa). I suppose I'll have to make them myself.
Is that quite enough organiser geekiness for one evening?
Oh, one more minor tidbit...apparently if you take a B6 page, and line it up at the opposite end of the Filofax Deskfax metal hole punch from the paper stop, you can punch the same hole pattern as the Personal size, just about exactly centered! Nifty, huh? Now if I could just find out whether or not FC Compact binders are wide enough for a 125 mm page width...
ReplyDelete>> Filofax Pocket pages fit Personal binders in rings 2-3+4-5.
ReplyDeleteWOW... learning this is right up there with my first kiss.
There's no end to the trouble I'll get into now.
Thanks.
Wow, thank you for all of this excellent information!!!
ReplyDeleteFilofax Pocket pages fit Personal binders in rings 2-3+4-5.
ReplyDeleteNot true.
You can place them on rings 1-3 and snip off the bottom left corner, or rings 4-6 and snip off the top left corner though.
Only the multifit pocket pages (which have holes 1, 2, 5 and 6 elongated) fit on rings 2+3 and 5+6.
ReplyDeleteI believe the comments here make one of the most complete information on binder ring size comparisons available on the Internet.
ReplyDeleteGood work, everyone.
I just want to add that the Franklin Covey "micro" pages are compatible with the Filofax mini.
Is the answer to the problem of the increased 'width' of FC pages a zipped Filofax organiser, they are slightly bigger and would protect the pages better than an 'open' organiser.
ReplyDeleteOK it introduces other 'issues' but I'm sure they are ones you could work around if you really must use FC pages in a Filofax organiser...
Just a thought....
I have a Filofax personal organizer that is retired. I can't remember the name of the style. I think it started with a "K." Very soft, flexible leather sides. I have the Franklin Covey compact size hole punch and the holes match perfectly. I actually like the little wider page and it does goes out to the very edge, but I don't care. I make my own pages.
ReplyDeleteI would like to find an A5 Filofax that is the same as my smaller one, but they all seem to have harder flaps. I bought a Kensington and it was not like mine at all. I was wondering if the Finsbury is softer and more flexible. Can someone help me?
I just checked my personal one is also a Kensington. But its different from the A5 size.
ReplyDeleteYes, the Franklin Covey (FC) compact size fits perfectly in the Filofax personal size although the pages are a bit wider. However, if you want to use the classic FC pages for the A5 size Filofax, you need to punch holes in paper with hole puncher. I like the Scully paper in my A5 because it's the cotton cream color (Filofax only has in personal size, not A5) so it doesn't bleed/show through as much. Hope that helps!
ReplyDeleteThis was the ONLY clear and straightforward answer. Thank you!!!
DeleteYes! I was scrolling totally confused until this point! Lol! Thank you!
DeleteI believe the FC Pocket is compatible with Succes "Senior" size (90x150mm). Which is to say, I've used by Senior sized binders and FC Pocket binders interchangeably.
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